We just completed week three of our shows with Dr. Stuart Fischbein, obstetrician from California on Thought Crime Radio: Voices for the Human Rights of Babies. The podcasts are up.
Please visit his site, Www.SupportDrFischbein.com and learn about his experience as an obstetrician fighting for women to have true informed consent and right of refusal (BIRTH CHOICES – breech, VBAC, as well as no drugs, homebirths, delayed cord clamping etc.) when birthing their babies. Check out his plan to create a new form of birth center … a collaboration between obstetricians and midwives in a facility separate from the hospital.
Today’s show featured Beldon Johnson, co-founder of The Primal Center in 1979 and author of new novel, “Fathers and Teachers”. He is a primal therapist and has worked with 100’s of adults to heal their early birth and circumcision traumas.
We talked about these links:
SO WHERE DOES TNS RECOVERY GET THEIR STUFF? You could ask one of their vendors….so I did. I don’t know why I’m actually putting effort into a Hump Jones article, either, but here’s the fruits of my labor:
Indeed it is made from proteins and other ingredients that have been found in foreskins, but we don’t think they actually get live foreskins and use them. We believe they reformulated it in a lab (like cloning).
Here is a link to a lot of information on TNS Recovery Complex, as we sell it right here on the site and the whole Skin Medica line. We offer samples of other skinmedica products with a purchase.
A U.S. Food and Drug (FDA) Committee recommended FDA approval of Dermagraft, artificial skin made from circumcised baby foreskins to treat diabetic foot ulcers, on condition that manufacturer Advanced Tissue Sciences, Inc., do a post-marketing study. NOCIRC’s attorney was given just five minutes to speak to the Committee in defense of the babies whose foreskins are cut off and marketed without their consent.
A commenter on the blog:
I have an uncle who received a foreskin treatment for his . I believe it worked for him. I understand the absurdity of foreskins getting recycled into high-dollar . But somehow this all doesn’t really bother me that much. Maybe it’s because I’m a woman. I can’t imagine the foreskin harvesting industry to be that lucrative, but maybe I’m wrong. It seems to make sense to me, on a basic level, to reconstitute and re-use leftover . Of course this does open a Pandora’s box regarding the ethics of cloning.
I guess I need to understand: do circumcised men feel they were cheated or exploited in some way?
THATS THE TOPIC TODAY …. DO circumcised men feel they were cheated or exploited in some way? Are any of us impacted by the experience of our birth…. csection, pulling the baby out … or a gentle birth at home where only mother and father are touching the baby or at least there are no interventions.
Now, doctors who specialize in wound management are growing skin to help people like Tomas save their limbs and extremities. Pharmaceutical and biotech companies are extracting collagen — a protein that makes up 75 percent of skin — from donated skin and creating grafts, or patches, that can induce a patient’s own skin to grow. The donated skin can come from a variety of sources: anything from a pig’s pancreas to a newborn baby’s foreskin. “In some cases, we can get four football fields of skin out of one baby foreskin,” said Dr. James McGuire, head of wound management at the Foot and Ankle Institute at the School of Podiatric Medicine at Temple University, in Philadelphia. “If taken care of, skin can grow and grow.”
Human Reproduction, Vol. 18, No. 7, 1404-1409, July 2003
© 2003 European Society of Human Reproduction and Embryology
A culture system using human foreskin fibroblasts as feeder cells allows production of human embryonic stem cells
We used post-natal, commercially available human foreskin fibroblasts as feeder cells.
Did you receive compensation for your son’s or your own foreskin?? Did the baby boys give their consent? MILLIONS of dollars are being made on the foreskins of babies.
From INTACT AMERICA:
The AAP is actively considering whether they should recommend circumcision.
Make sure they hear our side of the debate!
Send a message to Susan Blank, chair of the circumcision task force, today.
That’s how Susan Blank – who chairs the American Academy of Pediatricians’ task force on circumcision – described studies of adult males in sub-Saharan Africa that suggest circumcision reduces the risk of HIV transmission.
Well, here’s what we think is very compelling: circumcising babies is wrong – ethically, morally, and medically. It’s shocking to think Dr. Blank and her task force are considering policy recommendations for baby boys in the United States based on misconstrued data from controversial African studies.
Send a message directly to Dr. Blank today and urge the AAP task force not to recommend circumcision. http://org2.democracyinaction.org/o/5922/t/6483/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2318
Here’s my (Janel) letter:
Dear Dr. Susan Blank and American Academy of Pediatrics,
The human baby feels and remembers everything that he or she experiences in the womb, in labor and at birth, and in the first seconds, minutes, and hours of life. The prenate feels, tastes, hears, and responds to the environment – via the mother. The human being is in a continuum of NEVER-ending brain development from conception forward, and the primal period is the foundation for the rest of life.
It is logical and scientific that during the birth process the newborn brain is not somehow miraculously selective, thus being capable of “turning off” during time in the hospital with medical caregivers and interventions. There is no mechanism that allows that — so that medical people can do whatever they wish to a baby. The human newborn is not capable of “de-selecting” the violations of medical caregivers on his personhood. The science is clear: Your own science tells us “what fires wires” so we know the birthing and newborn brain “wires what fires” and learns, even more so outside the womb than she or he did prenatally. The newborn baby is an aware, feeling being – a fully sentient being – and the brain IS “on” while in your hands in your institution. We/You can no longer say: “the baby won’t remember” and “the baby won’t feel it”. Circumcision is just one of the medical interventions experienced by newborns in your hands.
Circumcision is the worst human rights violation of mankind, done by mankind to mankind, wherever it is inflicted upon on a non-consenting uninformed baby, child, or third world country. The American Academy of Pediatrics is being called upon to protect and defend our babies, and to be protectors of the human rights of newborns in our society. As a society we will look back on this action against males, and we we see how it is the primary cause of violence of all kinds, but especially against women and children. We will see how “we” plundered the world’s people because of it. People will wonder how we could have been so barbaric at this point in history in our human evolution. Your name will be there, Dr. Susan Blank … either as the person who helped stop the routine, barbaric, torture of NON-CONSENTING, UNINFORMED baby boys, or the one who pushed for it; the one too blind, too bought to see the impact to every aspect of a male’s life and to our society, and to our planet.
Choose well, your legacy, Dr. Susan Blank.
I am a birth trauma therapist, baby advocate, and filmmaker doing a birth film for and about fathers in birth. Part four of my film will address the impact of circumcision on the male baby disconnected from his mother, unprotected, and so unspeakably violated … for no medical reason … and how this plays out his entire life, including family and child abuse, sexual assault, violence, and war. On my radio show this fall I have done a series with guests who are advocates of intact males; they are doctors, psychologists, midwives, and therapists in a series this fall. I have come to believe that circumcision of our baby males is the most barbaric act of humanity. It is outrageous that female genital mutilation is seen as such, while male babies in our culture are tortured, and these tortured males lead us to war after war, while porn is number one money maker, and pedophiles are a number one concern for communities and parents. Circumcision is torture Dr. Blank, and from what I have learned there is no medical reason to do it, only political and financial gains. The research in Africa is inconclusive and even shows no decrease in AIDS for these men, while AIDS has risen for women.
I have one circumcised son, age 34, and one intact son, age 27. I was holding my son when he was circumcised. It was horrible and shocking, and I couldn’t stop it. I had assumed that what I was told to be done next was humane and science based. Now, we do know that it is not. It was tragic to learn later there is no reason for it, and more tragic, as a mother, to learn the resulting outcomes for him that he has to live his whole life with. For example, the violation of the body part responsible for creating pleasure results in a lifetime of dysfunctions in sexual functioning, from minor, like premature ejaculation, excessive masturbation, and being unaware of one’s partner’s needs (rough because he doesn’t have the part of his penis meant to communicate to his brain about pleasure), for which we now have industry after industry to “fix” to the violent crimes against women, children, and society. Men do not know what it is they are missing, and depending on other aspects of their early life and violations, to varying degrees, they go after what is missing with a vengeance; and, Dr. Blank, they go after women and children. This one act against male babies/men provides multiple industries to this country and fuels war.
I am grateful that I became aware of alternative methods of emotional and physical healing, besides the ineffective talk and drug therapy that dominates our society. I could begin to support my son to heal his soul, an apology from the one who allowed it instead of protecting him begins the healing, and he can now choose to even restore his foreskin. Even so, as a mother, I suspect I will never get over the brutality and loss that I allowed my son to experience for no reason. We know now many modalities for healing those who have been harmed, but these modalities are also diminished and vilified by your profession, after promoting the violation, for financial reasons. To embrace the healing of the trauma one has to see the violation inflicted upon helpless newborn babies.
I guarantee you the American people are wising up, and rising up, and they will continue to become a majority against circumcision. Three cultures circumcise their male children: Christian, Jewish, and Muslim. You figure it out. Do the research outside your status quo of medicine funded by drug companies, about the real reasons your professional group struggles to promote what it knows is true one minute and then is promoting it again the next. Your profession has a responsibility to tell and BE the truth, and to stop the torture of our male babies. EVERYWHERE.
Again, Circumcision is the worst human rights violation of mankind done by mankind to mankind, wherever it is inflicted upon on a non-consenting uninformed baby, child, or third world country. As a society we will look back on this action against males, and we we see how it is the primary cause of violence of all kinds, but especially against women and children, and how we plundered the world’s people because of it. People will wonder how we could have been so barbaric at this point in history in our human evolution. Your name will be there, Dr. Susan Blank … either as the person who helped stop the routine, barbaric, torture of NON-CONSENTING, UNINFORMED baby boys, or the one pushed for it; the one too blind, too bought to see the impact to every aspect of a male’s life and to our society, and to our planet.
Choose well, your legacy, Dr. Blank.
L. Janel Martin Miranda, MA
www.thoughtcrimeradio.blogspot.com — you can listen to podcasts of many professionals from many areas speaking about the impact of circumcision.
I agree with Intact America:
Your statement to ABC News that recent African studies of male circumcision are “very compelling” suggests that the American Academy of Pediatrics Task Force on Neonatal Circumcision may ignore the ethics, risks and harms of performing medically unnecessary surgery on non-consenting infant boys.
As chair of the task force, please respond to the following questions regarding your upcoming decision:
– How will the task force address the ethical problems related to performing medically unnecessary circumcision surgery on non-consenting newborn males?
– How is the task force taking into account the risks and harms of circumcision?
– Aren’t circumcision trials conducted on consenting adults irrelevant to circumcising baby boys who cannot consent?
I look forward to your prompt response.
L. Janel Martin (Miranda), M.A.
Baby Doula/CranioSacral based Birth Trauma and Attachment Therapist/Birth Videographer
Check out the fund raiser trailer for my film: “The Other Side of the Glass: Finally, A Birth Film for Fathers” on www.theothersideoftheglass.com
Here’s Rich’s feedback to Dr. Blank:
Subject: Titanic vs iceberg
Perhaps you’re unaware of the growing outrage of american men and
their lovers who are discovering what was taken from them at birth,
and how it damaged them and their relationships with women, starting
with their own mothers. I assure you that regardless of your
decision on male genital mutilation, american medicine will soon
find itself trying to disown this monster which haunts the nightmares
of children and which has done so much harm to our families. The
emotional stake of “researchers” who attempt to justify what was
done to them as children has perpetuated this farce long enough.
One need only compare HIV and MGM rates between the USA and europe
to put the lie to the claim that it somehow protects against HIV.
The research demonstrating MGM’s adverse impact on M->F HIV
transmission has already been done, and the mechanism by which it
acts is also known. The HIV argument will soon be added to the
long list of fraudulent rationalizations which have helped to
perpetrate this unspeakable atrocity on 6 generations of helpless
Do yourself a favor and make a stand now, so that you don’t find
yourself out of a job later.
Google “frenar band” for further information.
L. Janel Martin wrote:
Do you know of studies and stats on the incidence of violence against women comparing circ’d and uncirc’d men? Domestic violence, men in prison, etc?
No, Janel, as far as I know, those studies have never been done. It’s about time, doncha think?!
Janel wrote to Marilyn, Rich, and Patricia Robinett:
So, how can we say we are more violent because of circ if there’s no “proof”. And humans apparently have been brutal forever … I can’t help but think the circ actually docilates men from being the fierce warriors they were. Definitely, as men have become civilized over time, uncir’d men are kinder maybe as Patricia said on the air and it’s still true that circ’ing has added a whole new dimension to the brain of the modern man.
Here’s my take: MGM teaches fear and rage. The rage is suppressed. The fear causes passivity and disempowerment in the face of “authority”thus promoting mass social organization (i.e. warmaking). The rage can come to the surface either at the direction of authorities (torture etc) or in the absence of authority figures (i.e. when with friends and family). Sexual frustration, domestic difficulties and the link between sex and violence makes lovers especially vulnerable.
Karl Menninger said, “What we do to children, they will do to society.” It’s the infliction of a primal wound that affects the male throughout life. And, of course, not all circumcised males are violent, but every circumcised male is affected by his circumcision, whether he knows it or not. Sometimes, as Michel Odent has spoken about at a couple of my symposia, when excruciating pain is inflicted without the victim being able to fight or flee, the fight or flight hormones, without an outlet for expression, become destructive to the victim’s own body. This is the genesis of “learned helplessness.”
After Obama was elected, one Black, circumcised man said to me, “Obama must be intact. Look at his kind, gentle nature, his easy smile, his mellow demeanor. He’s too relaxed a man to have been circumcised.” There is a difference, too, with intact boys, who don’t have the edge their circumcised brothers have. Now, I know there are other reasons for males to act out or be aggressive. Look at non-circumcising Germany; yet, we know the needs of German babies was not met. Infants were kept separate, by themselves, to cry it out… Alice Miller, of course, talks about the horrific ways in which German babies and children were raised and how it adversely affected them, how easily they became soldiers who followed orders.
According to James DeMeo and James Prescott, humans haven’t always been violent. The earliest cave drawings showed peaceful societies, breastfeeding mothers, man and animal living together without harm. DeMeo claims that it was the desertification in sub-Saharan Africa that introduced hunger and then the fighting began. First, the fight was against the animals and then it was man against man. Perhaps we’ll never really know what happened at the dawn of civilization, but we do know that when we birth babies peacefully and answer the needs of our children, they will thrive not just survive, and, isn’t that our work, i.e., to work toward making the planet a peaceful place again by how we bring our children into the world? For, as Gandhi said, “If we are ever to have real peace, we must begin with the children.”
With love and appreciation, Marilyn
hmm… that’s interesting, janel.
i think that circumcision could go either way…
either to ‘cow’ the person or to enrage her/him
like an angry bull. 🙂
i personally do not think that humans — men —
are created angry, violent, or withdrawn… i think
the ‘personality’ is made — perhaps a carryover
from another lifetime, but you can always see
good ‘reasons’ why people are the way they are
from just this lifetime… .
i think this is an important discussion.
not all people will respond in the same way to ‘fear’
(lack of love). but still, ‘fear’ (tension) will reign
in that person’s life, rather than ‘love’ (ease)
when one is overpowered… when a person feels
powerless, they are as far from their true nature
as it is possible for them to get.
i think of the causes of trauma as anything that
overpowers another… circumcision, sexual abuse,
the birth process itself, rape, physical violence,
mental oppression, and so on. people hold the
‘less than love’ in their bodies and are chronically
from my humble observation, it appears that
there are three primary modes that traumatized
people will enter. they are all coping strategies for
protecting oneself from abusive ‘authority figures’:
1) acquiesce to authority (withdraw, hide)
2) rail against authority (attack)
3) BECOME the authority (join them)
no one who has been abused really trusts authority.
they all see authority as dangerous.
a psychologist i know here in town has done a study…
he says only 5% of the population is ‘violence-prone’
or ‘warmongers’… i would call ‘violence-proneness’
or ‘warmongering’, symptoms of sociopathy.
circumcision is a violent act.
it teaches violence.
it teaches people to circumcise.
a circumcising culture is a violent culture.
people pass the violence on that was done to them.
or they bury their heads in the sand…
or they fight for the rights of children.
thank you all for fighting for children’s rights.
What do you think?
Patricia Robinett is the author of two books: “Knowledge: The Essence of World Scriptures” and “The Rape of Innocence: Female Genital Mutilation and Circumcision in the USA”. In her work as Clinical Hypnotherapist, she de-hypnotizes people from the trance induced by trauma.
Patricia stated the EFT (Emotional Freedom Techniques) is good resource for healing trauma from circumcision and other traumas. The website for EFT is www.emofree.com. EFT is a technique for self-care and for helping others. It is so simple when you first look at it, you won’t believe it. Please believe it. EFT is profound technique for healing anything and everything in your life. At emofree.com you can download the manual for free.
Wendy McCarty, PhD, pioneer in birth trauma healing and co-founder of the BEBA Clinic, www.beba.org has integrated EFT in her modality. Her site is www.wondrousbeginning.com.
You can find out more about Robinett’s book at www.patriciarobinett.com.
Here’s the podcast from our interview with her:
Waterbirth International and author of “Gentle Birth Choices”.
Barbara’s expertise is in waterbirth and gentle, undisturbed birth is widely sought in all areas of the globe. She has lectured in 43 countries, including many medical schools, nursing schools, midwifery programs and university women’s studies departments. Barbara has been interviewed by hundreds of newspapers and magazines and has appeared on dozens of radio and TV shows to talk about her work with waterbirth and gentle birth.
Star Newland from Hawaii, is a Dolphin Researcher and Founder of the Domestic Harmony Initiative. This is the tenth anniversary of Star’s project, The Domestic Harmony Initiative and November is Domestic Harmony Month in Hawaii. Star shared that project, and how it connects to work with dolphins, the program for women to give birth in water with dolphins, and her “pod” project of community living.
Read about The Domestic Harmony Initiative, her work with dolphins in birth and trauma healing at www.planetpuna.com.
Star and I (Janel), co-wrote the Safe Baby Resolution that was introduced into the Hawaii in 2007 and this is on www.SafeBabyResolution.com.
Mr. Svoboda is founder and Executive Director of Attorneys for the Rights of the Child (ARC), a federally and state-certified non-profit corporation Steven founded in early 1997.
In July and August 2001, Svoboda traveled to Geneva on behalf of ARC to consult with the United Nations’ Sub-Commission for the Promotion and Protection of Human Rights, making oral and written submissions, the latter of which became part of the official UN record and the first document ever accepted by the UN focusing on male circumcision.
Details of Mr. Svoboda’s extensive work in safeguarding children’s bodily integrity is at www.arclaw.org/arc_about/arc_svoboda.php
Stuart Fischbein, MD
Obstetric physician from California who is a strong advocate for patient’s rights to informed consent and refusal. He is a long-time supporter of midwifery care and creating partnerships with midwives. He is currently one of the few obstetricians to speak publicly and to stand up against his own professional organization on behalf of women’s rights to true informed consent and choice. Recently, for allowing patients the dignity of true informed consent in his community he and his midwives are being threatened with disciplinary action. www.supportdrfischbein.blogspot.com.
Dr. Fischbein, obstetrician from northern Los Angeles area, had to cancel and Rich and I winged it. I shared some recent research that showed that mother’s breast milk has stem cells in it, meaning that the mother’s body CONTINUES TO BUILD the BABY’S BODY for months or years. I shared my personal experience of having a profound connection to my son who is in Afghanistan where 16 American soldiers had died that day. Our conversation zig zagged around the topic of the impact of obstetric interventions on the human being and on society. Rich’s paper, Munchausen Obstetrics, link at top of page here, has many, many resources on this topic.
At t the end of the hour, with only minutes left, we had a caller who doubted what we were saying. She said she is a scholar and doesn’t believe the anecdotal stories. I gave her a resource, Dr. William Emerson’s site, www.EmersonBirthRx.com, but she said that’s just one person. Both he and David Chamberlain, PhD are coming out with new books very soon. Dr. Chamberlain is the co-founder of the Association for Pre and Perinatal Psychology and Health, www.birthpsychology.com, founded in the mid eighties. Members are international and include physicians, nurses, psychologists, music and craniosacral therapists, and many, many others all who have done research in the area of the primal period of life. The research is there and it has been for years. Here’s one from the seventies, http://www.birthpsychology.com/violence/verny.html.
Aside from the research there is just plain logic … birth has to matter. Once one embraces how fully present we are in the womb (and before) and at birth one has to stop what they are doing to human babies. Meanwhile, DENIAL permeates every aspect of birth and consideration for the full sentience of the human baby. Why? Because to acknowledge that we are fully present at birth, one has to deal with their own birth, their primal brain imprinting, and how it has created who they are today. And, one has to deal with their own decisions or their own victimization as a woman birthing her children. THIS IS the biggest obstacle. I would bet that our caller had a cesarean, chosen or not, or something profound that happened to her giving birth. Our society doesn’t acknowledge it so it doesn’t provide or research options to support healing, so people deny it. Babies can’t be fully aware. It can’t matter what we do to them in the first moments, hours, and days of their life because then we have to deal with what we did to so many babies.
I found my old site cached on google and I am posting links to a couple of pages here. One is a newspaper article about my work in the Peoria Journal Star in October 2003.
The other is the testimony of the same mother featured in the article about her experience of doing therapy with her baby and me. He was born at home but had to have multiple heart surgeries in his first two weeks. A psychology professor at the local community college wrote a seething “letter to the editor” about my work. This and my response are also on this page and it includes many, many references.
With all due respect to our caller, I realized how tired of I am of having to be the one “to prove” with science my premise that we can be kinder, we can honor the mother and baby (soul) being born. The truth is that obstetric medicine isn’t and hasn’t been scientific based. NEVER were the drugs ever used shown to be safe prior to using on NEWBORNS. Humans, baby humans, are NON-informed, NON-consenting subjects in one long, horrid research project. Obstetric medicine is the place of manufacturing of human deficits and dysfunctions, namely the ones that create broken human connections as well as drug addiction and propensity for violence, for being a culture of people with little respect for the boundaries of others.
So, let me say, “NO, YOU prove that what is being in done in modern medicalized birth for sixty decades is NOT damaging.” My guts, my heart, my logic and science tells me is it profoundly damaging.
In November of 2006 a month after my son first deployed to Iraq I began writing on a blog and I wrote 600 pages between November and May. It was my therapy as I wrote about birth, war, obstetrics and mother-child attachment. That blog is www.Hospitalbirthdebate.blogspot.com. It is full, full, full of articles with research to back our discussion.